Podcaster Joe Rogan says Michelle Obama would defeat former President Donald Trump in 2024 if she were to run for president.  
 
On the Christmas Eve episode of his popular podcast The Joe Rogan Experience, he said he “really” believes she’d win.  

“She’s intelligent, she’s articulate, she’s the wife of the best president that we have had in our lifetime in terms of like a representative of intelligent, articulate people. She could win,” Rogan said.  

Over the years, Obama has said she doesn’t want to run for president and would rather live a normal life now that former President Barack Obama is out of office.  

Rogan said that if she were to run she would have to reject “some of these policies that are destroying businesses in America, that are making people scared.”  
 
He also suggested that she team up with Vice President Kamala Harris for a “double dose of diversity.”